Warning: I have been fired before mostly because of a failed relationship with a senior pastor. It wasn’t that I was completely to blame, but I knew where I contributed. I determined not to make those mistakes again. Even as I write this, I am scheduled to go into a meeting with my current leader about a disagreement.
Youth workers have a long history of falling victim to this problem. The situation is complicated by the dual role of senior pastors. They aren’t just our bosses but our spiritual leaders as well. When we feel let down by them, it’s not just about our own work. It’s also about spiritual direction.
Personally, I knew that if I wanted to continue working in churches, I was going to have to learn to deal with disagreement. Potential for disagreement is constant, and how I deal with it gauges my own spiritual and emotional health (and probably my ministry too). After years of really messing up this relationship, I have come to several conclusions that actually work when I don’t see eye to eye with my pastor.
Communicate. My gut instinct when I don’t like a differing idea from a pastor is to clam up and avoid talking about it. The result is always bitterness and separation. During that separation I build arguments for my position, have confrontations in my head with that person, play out scenarios, and, at the worst of times, go to others for support.
Instead of playing all these head games, the best thing I can do is have a conversation with the person I disagree with. I am always surprised by how much better a situation becomes when it can be talked through. Of course, I talk myself out of these interactions with self-justifications like, He won’t listen or, This won’t make any difference, but every time I actually initiate one of these interactions, I’m proven wrong. The other involved person almost always listens and accepts my perspective. Most of the time, this is the end of my problem.
Be fair. Senior pastors have to account for all of their people. When I come to him with a concern over the worship set and how teens are in danger of falling asleep, he hears me. He’s also thinking about how the sweet octogenarian lady told him that old hymn was the best thing she’d heard all week. If I really want to work through differences of opinion, I have to be willing to accept alternate perspectives.
As soon as words form in my mouth, I can see if I’m willing to see things from another viewpoint. When I accuse or exaggerate or use persuasive words to make my point, I’m not accepting another way of looking at things. Phrases like, “You don’t care about the teens because…” only show how limited my ability to accept is. So I need to be fair and acknowledge the pastor’s concerns as well. The point is, just because I am heard doesn’t mean my solution is the best or will be acted on.
Mind my own business. Occasionally, even after communicating in a fair way, I still disagree with my leaders. A great friend once listened to me rant for twenty minutes about one of these disputes. After hearing my problem, he asked me how I felt after talking to the pastor about it. I felt demoralized and devalued. It seemed like the pastor didn’t like me or think I was doing a good job. He then asked me if I thought I was doing the right thing in my job. Was I doing what I should be doing? “Well, yes!” I replied with a little concern about where he was going. He then told me that it was none of my business what the pastor thought of me. I couldn’t know for certain, and I shouldn’t be doing anything just for his approval anyway. This one sentence freed me from the burden of getting my self-esteem needs met by my pastor.
Disagreements are a big deal in the church, especially for those who work with teens. One of the biggest detriments to youth ministry is the problem of settling disagreements. I blame most of the transitions I hear about in youth ministry on this one problem, and while it isn’t all the youth worker’s fault, there is so much that can be done to help. As hard as it is, we need to work on these problems if we are going to continue to work in the institutions that support our callings.
Any relationship I have ever been in that holds any weight in my life or is of great value has had conflict. There have been conflicts with my parents, brothers, best friends, my wife, my children, students, families at church, and of course myself. It would be a tremendous mistake to think that, while working at a church, disagreements and conflicts would never arise, especially given the diverse experiences, perspectives, and embedded theologies we all bring to the table.
While so many people I know and have been peers with in student ministry avoid conflict with all the strength they can muster, I’ve come to realize that conflict means both parties care. They believe in what they are doing and why they are doing it, and they want to see something through. Often when conflict arises in a church staff, the trend has been for the youth worker to ship off, thinking it will be better on the other side. But if that relationship with the senior pastor is to ever truly blossom and grow, how both sides handle the conflict will make a tremendous impact on the staff of the church and help set the trajectory for how conflict can be handled among other church members as well.
When the current senior pastor at my church arrived after I had been there nearly a year and a half without one, I was a young, new seminary student voraciously reading all kinds of new and emerging theologies and philosophies. We had just gone through the experience of losing a student after a horrible bout with cancer, and my predecessor as student pastor (and one of my closest friends) passed away in a tragic car accident just weeks before the arrival of our new senior pastor. Add to that, I was starting to ramp up toward change after being there nearly two years, right when the new pastor would come to provide stability. Worse yet, I had grown up in the church plant, with my dad being the founding pastor, and I can’t imagine what kind of situation this must have felt like for our new-to-the-area senior pastor.
Thankfully, I had a few mentors who provided some great insight into how to navigate that transition, which actually created the attitudes I try to embody when disagreement arises. They are simple but, when lived well, can perpetuate a living in the way of Jesus that helps set the pace for the whole church.
First and foremost, assume the best of your senior pastor. Don’t assume they are trying to personally attack you, frustrate you, or go against what you think or believe.
Second, if you can afford the time, let the situation settle for at least a day. Let your emotions run their course, and don’t be reactive. Try to listen to God, and even spend some time in silence to quiet your heart and spirit.
After slowing down and calming down if necessary, ask to meet with your senior pastor privately. Whatever you do, do not try to use a situation of disagreement to embarrass or intimidate your senior pastor in front of others. Often they are not even aware of the disagreement, and it is unfair to treat someone who is a leader in your life, who has been called by your church and God to fulfill this role, and is your boss, in this manner.
Be generous, and try to ask questions that lead to discussion rather than beginning with an accusation. Remember it is not about being right but about working together to fulfill the mission of God.
Ultimately, it is important to be open and honest with your senior pastor while being intentional to follow his or her lead, regardless of how things work out. How you handle this situation can affect your current relationship as well as how disagreements are handled in the future.
Really, just treat your senior pastor as you would like to be treated.
Here’s the dirty little secret to thriving in vocational youth ministry: It’s not about youth ministry.
I know too many great youth workers who can’t keep a job in ministry. They have amazing track records in growing their groups numerically, have seen tons of lives changed, and have seen their students do incredible things. And yet they can’t figure out why they can’t get over the three-year-hump.
One contributing factor is that they are great youth workers and not so great staff members.
A key to my own longevity has been my willingness to think like a senior pastor. In truth, this insight came because, for 18 months, I was the solo pastor at a small church. (Everyone else quit!) I learned a lot about the role of the senior pastor when we didn’t have one, and I had to step in as the senior staff member. In attending meetings with the search committee, deacons, and trustees, I was forced to think globally about the impact of my individual actions on the organization.
When there were several staff people, no one seemed to care that I came in late some mornings because I was out late the night before or spent the morning at the high school. The unintended consequence of being the solo pastor and altering my work hours was that the rest of the church staff was confused about when they should start working. After all, if I wasn’t going to come to the office until noon on Thursday, did my secretary really need to be there alone?
When we finally hired some people and our staff (and church) began to grow again, I maintained a wider view of my impact on the entire church.
Another insight I gained during that period of time was a fuller understanding, particularly in small-to-medium-sized churches, that my role was to support and encourage the senior leader. That person is human too. They are going home to families, they have lives, and they want their jobs to be as successful as you do. That didn’t mean I had to be a yes man. But that did mean I had to disagree behind closed doors, allowing for consensus and then presenting a united front. Even when I sternly disagreed, I had to learn there was a right and wrong time and place to disagree, and there was a time to visibly support the mission of the senior leader.
It also meant that I had to wear my associate pastor hat often and do things far outside the scope of youth ministry (managing staff, overseeing other departments, and leading other non-youth-ministry projects).
I remember one key time. The staff had come to the conclusion that we needed to kill some programs in order for the church to invest in others. Quite simply, this 150-year-old congregation had way more programs than it could sustain. But in deciding which ministries to kill or maim, there was substantial disagreement (including throttling the growth of our student ministry). But when the day came and we presented these changes to the congregation, I stood next to and defended the decisions. More important than during the meeting, when the people of the church came to me looking for a voice of dissent, I stood by our decisions and leaned into my role as his supporter.
Why? Did I agree with everything? Absolutely not! But I supported these decisions because I believed in the long-term vision of the ministry of the church. And even though it’d kill me as a youth worker to see some of my own vision die, it was more important that the church survive than for me to get my way.
I think that’s the difference between a youth worker who stays for a season and one who stays for a career. In the long run, you have to see how youth ministry fits in and ultimately complements the whole organization in order for it to truly thrive.





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